Watching the January 2nd Village Board meeting on Friday night was rather interesting.
But before we get into the analysis of the meeting, let’s get familiar with some of the events that transpired. I’m not going to try to cover every detail and action of the meeting. Rather, I’ll just mention the highlights.
After the initial formalities, the meeting jumped into public comments.
Paul Calusinski came before the Board to present an agenda of Fox Valley Citizens for Legal Immigration meeting from October 29, 2006 containing the following item:
Planning for upcoming 11/7/06 Village Board meeting (Humpfer/Sigwalt)
Mr. Calusinski believed it was a problem that two trustees were meeting with a special group to plan for upcoming Village Board meetings. Further, he said that when he once tried to attend one of these meetings, he was told he was not welcome.
Then, things kind of heated up when Ev Evertsen of Harvard came to speak to the Board once again on the creation of TIF Districts. President Sarto inquired of why Mr. Evertsen, a Harvard resident, had interest in speaking on TIF districts local to the economy of Carpentersville. Mr. Evertsen replied that he was a taxpayer. President Sarto pointed out that TIF districts are relevant to local property taxes, and that Mr. Evertsen lives even outside of School District 300. Mr. Evertsen then stated that he was against all TIF districts. President Sarto asked him if he had spoken at Dundee’s meeting where they had recently created a TIF district. Mr. Evertsen stated that he was unaware of that, before concluding his comments.
After Mr Evertsen completed his comments, Diane Evertsen came forward and to address President Sarto on the Rules of Decorum. Mrs. Evertsen asked President Sarto specifically, “Do you need a copy of these?” Sarto told her she could then sit down for her disrespect and “attack”.
Trustee Humpfer wanted to appeal the ruling of the President as he has done on a few occasions in the past, and told President Sarto “I don’t think you know the rules”, but seemed to quickly quiet down when President Sarto stated “Yes, I do know the rules.”
One last commenter of note (and I may have gotten them out of order) was Gloria VanCleave, who came to the podium and told President Sarto that “no one tells her what to say”. This was in response to the Daily Herald article that reported on the meetings that Sarto had called “secret” and “deceptive”, which Mr. Calusinski had also referred to above. However, Ms. VanCleave was asked to sit down when she made a derogatory remark to Sarto.
The one big item of Village business that night was the exemption of one gun from the list of those to be destroyed. An M-1 Carbine rifle. The VFW made a request for this gun to complete their color guard firearms used in parades and veteran’s services. State law does not allow for an item that has value to be donated by a municipality, so the Village will look at options to make this firearm available to the VFW.
So, the audience comments portion of the meeting was a bit wild and raucous as usual. But, the rest of the Board was unusually quiet. Even the objections were mostly mouse-like. Could it have anything to do with this being the first meeting after it came out that Trustees Sigwalt and Humpfer were meeting with Fox Valley Citizens for Legal Immigration, improperly meeting at Fire Station #3 — at no expense because of their positions in office — to discuss and strategize with the group for the upcoming Board meetings? Or, maybe its the result of may not having that meeting that helped.
As for President Sarto’s discussion and debate with Mr. Evertsen, I believe he should not have done so. However, I think that his question was pertinent in order to make a determination whether it was relevant to the Village, especially in light of the information above, and the fact that Mr. Evertsen had addressed the Board previously on this matter.
I guess something that I found interesting is that according to published Board meeting minutes, from Sepetember 2006 through November 2007, the Evertsen’s (Ev, Diane or both) have addressed the Carpentersville Village Board no less than 7 times. However, a check of regular meeting minutes published on the website for the City of Harvard, revealed that — going back over 2 1/2 years — neither of the Evertsen’s have ever spoken. I find that quite odd that they come approximately 30 miles to speak at the Village of Carpentersville meetings on at least 7 occasions. Yet, they have not spoken to the city council in their own city.
While that is not to say that we should not welcome those from other communities who can add something to our understanding of issues, we must also be wary of those who may come to further some personal agenda and take advantage of our forum for that purpose. Additionally, when coming to directly address the Village Board, statements should be respectful and related to agenda items.
In fact, all comments should be respectful.
But, public comments seem severely broken and need to be overhauled. More on that at a later time.
Finally, what should we make of Trustees Humpfer and Sigwalt leading a strategizing session for the 11/7/2006 meeting — even though the Board had agreed by a 4-3 vote at the previous meeting that discussion of the item was tabled (which should have also meant that it was tabled from public comments, since it was not presently a matter of Village business)? I think this is a very big deal. Minutes of the 11/7/2006 Board meeting show that several members of Fox Valley Citizens came before the Board to speak on the issue, though no discussion should have been allowed. It seems doubtful that Sigwalt and Humpfer were unaware. So, were they purposefully leading this session with the intent of circumventing that decision?
Why were Trustees Sigwalt and Humpfer leading a planning session for the Board meeting as part of the Fox Valley Citizens’ regular meeting when the Board had voted against allowing discussion at regular Village Board meetings, if not for that purpose?
It is interesting to look at the names that appear on the FVCFLI agenda, and the names of those who are regularly coming forward during public comments.
I think significant questions remain as to the use of their position on the Board to obtain Village resources for meetings with this group. A group that was also very involved in their re-election activities.
These are all questions that I hope will be answered by an investigation into the extent of trustees involvement in these meetings and how they played out in relation to conducting Village business. Is everything that is happening in Village government being decided at the Board meetings? Or are these decisions being made elsewhere?

29 comments
Jan 15, 2008 at 6:04 pm
Johnny come lately
Where is the problem with some guy or gal speaking from Harvard or elsewhere? Didn’t we have over 1500 outsiders bussed in Oct. 3 2006 to prevent a discussion on illegal immigration in Carpentersville?
Jan 15, 2008 at 7:20 pm
Chrysippus
No, we didn’t.
Jan 15, 2008 at 10:30 pm
Angeline
Yes, Carpentersville had approximately 1500 people from outside communities come to the Carpentersville Village Hall on 10/3/06. Do not say that it did not occur, Chrysippus. Were you there? Do you live in Carpentersville? [moderated for relevance ... 1 sentence] None of these are questions you’re willing to answer. Anyone from any community, particularly since a group using the words ‘Fox Valley’ in their title is available for anyone to join. Anyone. Anyone from any nationality. Any one from any creed. Anyone from any gender. Anyone from any age. A-N-Y-O-N-E.
Frankly, I am absolutely disgusted with the situation, [moderated for relevance ... phrase], those like yourself who do not specify what town you are from, what your legal name is, what your stance is… you’re objective? Then show it. [moderated for relevance... 8 sentence/40 words]
And, yes, there were so many ‘visitors’ by the Carpentersville Village that evening that my family and I could not drive faster than 5 miles an hour, if, that is, our vehicle was not stopped. The ‘visitors’ were walking, children in front of them, some of the children in strollers, directly in front of moving vehicles. Not the sharpest tools in the drawer. Makes understanding the Darwin Awards that much easier.
Prove that the ‘visitor’ count did not reach at least one thousand, Chrysippus. Prove it.
Have a nice week!
PS: As to information Mr. Paul Calusinski provided, I will not believe one word that comes out of that man’s mouth. Ever. [moderated: personal attack ... 2 sentences] I will never judge another for something that I have done, there by the grace of God go I, Chrysippus.
Jan 16, 2008 at 7:31 am
Chrysippus
Yes, Carpentersville had approximately 1500 people from outside communities come to the Carpentersville Village Hall on 10/3/06.
Really? Is it as “Johnny come lately” said, “over 1500 outsiders bussed in”? Where were the 15 – 25 buses that would be needed to bring all those people? Why couldn’t a news group reporting on it even find anything to support that claim except for a Pace bus?
Sure, there were most likely people from outside Carpentersville that showed up. But, if there were 1,500 “outsiders” there, then there were likely not as many from Carpentersville itself.
Hmmm … in a town that Trustee Sigwalt described as “45% Hispanic”, and is the reason illegal immigration concerns Carpentersville, it seems very plausible that most of the crowd was from Carpentersville.
So, which is it? Does Carpentersville have a Hispanic population that would support 1,500 – 2,500 residents being at that meeting? Or, did they have to bus folks in from other communities?
In absence of evidence of 1,500 people being bussed in (which would require between 15 and 30 buses), I’m going with the fact that these were mostly residents of Carpentersville.
Oh, and thanks for again showing how you and your ilk attack the Hispanics in the community with comments like “not the sharpest tools in the drawer”.
I will not believe one word that comes out of that man’s mouth. Ever.
Oh well. There are a lot of things that people don’t believe, but it doesn’t make them any less true.
And, finally, I think my statements on this blog stand for themselves in answering your questions about my stance and position on the issues. So, I’ll continue to exercise my First Amendment rights.
Jan 16, 2008 at 9:49 am
At a Glance
I wonder how all the kids in strollers got off those “buses”? They seem to have been everywhere, stopping traffic as they WALKED to Village Hall…So, I wonder where they left the buses to do all that walking? Hmmmm…
Jan 16, 2008 at 12:28 pm
James
I think the point in the article was concerning “non-Carpentersvillians” addressing the Board during public comment. How many of “The 1500″ spoke than evening. Not being there, we’re there outsiders who did speak during that public comment time?
Jan 16, 2008 at 12:46 pm
Chrysippus
There were none.
Jan 16, 2008 at 2:36 pm
Johnny come lately
You are right, NOBODY was allowed to speak! The BUSSES were parked in front of Meadowdale Shopping Center as reported by the media.
Nobody was allowed to speak, since the outsiders were able to stop the “discussion” on the Illegal Ordinance, because there was too many people who showed up. This would of violated the Fire Code for the number of people allowed in Village Hall.
Village President and trustee Linda Sliwinski [who was vacationing at the time] invited these many outsiders to come and stop the “discussion” on illegal immigration.
Jan 16, 2008 at 3:25 pm
At a Glance
I wanted to point something out that I think may be relevant here as to the perception that most of the people that were at Village Hall were bused in to oppose the anti-illegal immigration ordinance. I was at a Council meeting in Elgin in 2006 where illegal immigration concerns were going to be discussed. It was on the agenda, along with the topic that I was there to discuss, and there were at least 4,000 people that were at Elgin’s City Hall, some in the Meeting room, and others in the parking lot outside the building. Most were Hispanic but it was not only Hispanics but many Caucasians as well. There were no buses. They appeared to be people from Elgin. People were getting out of cars or walking from the neighborhoods to attend the meeting. They appeared to be very orderly and most stood quietly waiting to hear what was going on.
What a contrast to the thought that in Carpentersville, the citizens, either white or Hispanic, would not attend but people from outside the Village would have to be bused in to participate. Kind of makes you wonder if there is any need for any ordinance when only outsiders are concerned as is inferred here. Or, were there actually people from C’ville there? And were they only Hispanic or what?
Also, if there were 1,500 bused in to the Village, I think Chrysippus is wrong in his calculations that it would be between 15 and 30 buses. It would be more like 35 to 50 buses. The cost would be pretty heavy for this. I wonder who paid all the money to do this for a meeting that was cancelled. And, if it was cancelled by Sarto after bringing in all the people, I’d think people would have been pretty upset at Sarto for inviting them and then stopping them from commenting…
But the issue being discussed here is about allowing those from outside the Village to come in and speak about Village business when they don’t live here and don’t do so in their own home towns. It sounds like the consensus on this blog is that this should not be done – by either side!
Jan 16, 2008 at 3:34 pm
Chrysippus
Can you cite the media source … because the Chicago Tribune, the Daily Herald nor the Courier News did not report any buses.
Yes, ICIRR was there, but so were a number of Minutemen groups.
It’s funny, though, that no one seemed to get any photographs of the 30-40 buses that would have been required to get those 1,500 non-residents there…
Jan 16, 2008 at 5:25 pm
PS
The fact is that not “A-N-Y-O-N-E” or more to the point, not E-V-E-R-Y-O-N-E was invited to these meetings. They were not open to the public. The general public was not given notice that they were taking place. Why should these meetings have taken place? This has gone on for over a year and a half. What’s the BIG secret?
Aren’t these trustees supposed to be working for us?
To think that we have a couple of trustees who think they can get away with this type of behavior.
Jan 16, 2008 at 6:12 pm
PAUL CALUSINSKI
Maybe you dont believe me, but like I said before, you people cant handle the truth. If it bit you in the ass you would not believe that or would you? Anyway the truth is the truth is the truth. So when more comes out and it is the truth you will call it a lie anyway. So Chrysippus keep up the good work and dont let Judy & company take you down coz they cant handle the truth end of story. or maybe it is a new chapter about to come out.
Jan 16, 2008 at 6:47 pm
Linda Ramirez Sliwinski
Village President and trustee Linda Sliwinski [who was vacationing at the time] invited these many outsiders to come and stop the “discussion” on illegal immigration.
Here, Ladies & Gentlemen in my eyes is proof positive that “Johnny come Lately” knows not of what he speaks. I can’t speak for Bill Sarto, but I can speak for myself. I had nothing to do with outsiders coming to the Village meeting on Oct 3, 2006. It was my understanding that the majority of the people at that meeting were from Carpentersville. Fliers were passed, and the Hispanic media was contacted. The residents came out in droves.
Jan 16, 2008 at 8:50 pm
Grant Crowell
Google “Linda Sliwinski” and you find these these as the most prominent results:
“President Sarto Yells and Walks out of Meeting.” — YouTube video
“Fox Valley Citizens for Legal Immigration Announcement” — AOL video, via YouTube.
Online reputation management – not a strong suit for politicians, and political activists, of Carpentersville. (Just like their offline reputation.) If they were a bit more savvy they would be concentrating on other online venues than a single partisan blog, which is the very same tactic of Fox Valley Citizens for Legal Immigration. (Only difference is that their candidates actually got elected.)
Speaking of trustees, remember Paul Folster? I remember his last e-mail to me when he moved out of Carpentersville:
“I’m so glad I left there.”
Hear hear.
Jan 16, 2008 at 9:11 pm
Art
Seeing that the Evertsens belong to the Minutemen Midwest group (which I found out were classified as a “nativist extremist group” by the SPLC), I’m not surprised. That group seems to be affiliated with the Fox Valley Citizens Against Hispanics group that Sigwalt and Humpfer belong to, and I’m sure these trustees don’t mind it if the Evertsens want to be involved in Carpentersville’s village affairs. What I find interesting is that Harvard has a 38% Hispanic population. Why is it that they don’t address THEIR own village board instead? Maybe their village government doesn’t give them the time of the day to spout off completely false “statistics” such as “25 Americans are killed each day by illegal aliens”? (don’t get me started on that one, they actually doubled the original dubious statistics), but I digress…
Leaving aside the “1,500 people” comments and Angeline’s barely concealed bigotry, I think the issue about Sigwalt and Humpfer’s meetings with their “Fox Valley Citizens Against Hispanics” group before board meetings is more important.
I agree. Can you say “conflict of interest?”
Jan 16, 2008 at 9:56 pm
Chrysippus
Hey Grant, it’s like you never left.
Wow, if that’s all that you can drum up on Trustee Ramirez-Sliwinski … she needn’t be worried.
On the other hand, when you Google “Judy Sigwalt” you get such things as “Judy Sigwalt caught lying about hispanics in Carpentersville” (Why’d you make that video ‘private’, Grant?), a number of recent posts of this blog, and the NY Times Magazine article that contains a number of remarks that seem to be rather racist.
But, all that is interesting from someone who once had Trustee Sigwalt’s name on a tombstone in his front yard.
Why is it that you now seem to ignore the fact that she admitted that she and Paul Humpfer have been holding meetings — not made known to the general public — with a political special interest group, allegedly under false pretenses to obtain the benefit of using a Village meeting room free of charge, for which they did not meet the requirements? (And apparently not just one time, but twice a month for the last year).
Weren’t these the same people who said “illegal is illegal”?!
Why don’t you help them out and tell them to resign their positions now in order to avoid further embarrassment and damage to their reputations (if that is possible)…
Jan 17, 2008 at 8:00 am
P.S.
Lies and breaking the law?
Do they think they are above the LAW? President Richard M. Nixon thought the same thing. He was wrong.
Jan 17, 2008 at 12:26 pm
At a Glance
Grant, it seems to me that comments like yours are the very reasons that Trustee Paul Folster was happy to be leaving the Board. I don’t think that people like Sarto or Sliwinski were what he was happily leaving…Seems he didn’t like the way thing were going back then either!
Now if we can get the Trustees (Sigwalt & Co.) that are creating the trouble in the Village to leave, wouldn’t it be nice to have people that could actually work together and make a positive difference in our lives???
Jan 22, 2008 at 5:40 am
Handsome Stranger
“While that is not to say that we should not welcome those from other communities who can add something to our understanding of issues, we must also be wary of those who may come to further some personal agenda and take advantage of our forum for that purpose.”
Still, we don’t know where you are, do we? So what is your “agenda?” Supporting Mr. Calusinski for the board, or perhaps the Mayor’s position?
Jan 22, 2008 at 9:48 am
Chrysippus
I wanted to make a public statement that I have chosen not to approve a comment submitted by “Handsome Stranger”; and provide an explanation as to why …
The comment was a tome that republished comments, articles, etc that was found on the internet which pushed the envelope on defamation (and in one case … against Trustee Ed Ritter — I believe it was defamation; although that should not be considered a legal opinion.)
This same information was also sent to the Village email addresses of all those on the Board … and a few select others.
I am sure that many of you reading this are getting as fed up with those things, as am I.
Therefore, I will be implementing a new policy that will require commenters to take complete ownership of their comments by using the same alias/pseudonym and providing a valid email address in order to have a comment posted to the blog.
Note: I am not requiring people use their real name, because I concur with the Supreme Court rulings that have made anonymous/pseudonymous speech an important and protected First Amendment right. I also believe that use of a pseudonym protects on from undue retribution and other undesired effects.
The way this will work is as follows:
All comments are currently moderated. With the implementation of this new procedure, comments received from those with a previously approved comment will post immediately (although will still be subject to review and may be removed if deemed inappropriate).
Upon first comment with an alias and email address combination, I will confirm the validity of the email address before posting the comment. Once the alias/address have been validated, the comment will be posted (again at my discretion).
Inappropriate comments will be removed and the posting privileges may be revoked in extreme cases.
I think that this will help maintain a better environment that can provide a level of accountability and responsibility without giving up necessary freedoms and protections that the Internet affords us all.
(These procedures will also be posted shortly in the FAQ and Welcome pages.)
Jan 22, 2008 at 9:50 am
Chrysippus
I would also like to say that I will not allow the pseudonym/alias of “Anonymous” to be used. You must choose a name and stick with it.
Also, those wishing to contact me directly about this policy can do so at cvillecan@gmail.com
Jan 22, 2008 at 10:43 am
Chrysippus
LOL!
I thought you guys were saying that this site was Sarto’s re-election website.
It is comical watching you guys running around trying to get your stories straight.
Jan 22, 2008 at 11:57 am
James
Chrys,
You may want to post this somewhere more general on the site instead of in a specific post, but I don’t see a problem with the rule – it’s easy enough to maintain complete anonymity (even from you) by just creating a quick generic e-mail account that doesn’t indicate the user’s identity in the address.
Jan 22, 2008 at 12:03 pm
Chrysippus
That’s a good suggestion, about posting this in a more general place.
And, it is a good point that you raise, that people can create a generic email account that will maintain their anonymity.
We will see how this works. I am preferring to do this, rather than have people create specific logins to this site in order to post. I think it moves toward achieving the same thing, without needing to go as far.
Jan 22, 2008 at 10:26 pm
Paul Calusinski
It’s not the board I am after it’s law breakers I am after. Dennis SHOULD NOT HAVE SAID WHAT HE DID ABOUT ED, NOT NICE TO TALK ABOUT PEOPLE LIKE THAT ,NICE JOB CHRYSIPPUS JOB WELL DONE.
Jan 23, 2008 at 5:34 pm
Paul Calusinski
Chrysippus
Frank Stoneham has court tomorrow 1/24/2008
at 9:00am in elgin for what he did at the village board meeting 12/08 to me, I hope he does not miss this one the JUDGE WIL NOT BE VERY HAPPY IF HE DOES NOT SHOW UP who knows what will happen I dont want to be him, I will be there to see and give her a tape of what happen tues night at village board meeting the truth and nothing but the truth so help me god.
Jan 24, 2008 at 9:12 pm
Dennis C
“Paul Calusinski Says:”
Jan 22, 2008 at 10:26 pm
“It’s not the board I am after it’s law breakers I am after.”
“Dennis SHOULD NOT HAVE SAID WHAT HE DID ABOUT ED, NOT NICE TO TALK ABOUT PEOPLE LIKE THAT, NICE JOB CHRYSIPPUS JOB WELL DONE.”
Nobody but an idiot can make an error of saying I made the comment, I did not say anything about Ed, that was someone else, if only you would pay attention! There were I believe five or six comments, the last was was about a trustee! I believe it to be false, the same that I believe Calusinski to be making false unsupported statements and and slandering half of the trustees! I don’t know why he persists, maybe a reaction to being Tased!
Jan 25, 2008 at 7:10 am
Chrysippus
Dennis,
You took that comment from another site and repeated it, even though you believed it to be false. Despite your name not being associated with the original comment, you implied acceptance of it by your direct re-publication of it, and further by your use of highlighting to draw attention to it.
You may be guilty of “libel per se”, without the protection of Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act:
One of the criteria for “libel per se” is:
You attempted to repeat the statement on this blog, but I tried to help you out by not publishing it. You then took it upon yourself to send it to the entire Board, as well as a few other individuals.
The elements that must be proved to establish defamation are:
1. a publication to one other than the person defamed;
2. a false statement of fact;
3. that is understood as
• being of and concerning the plaintiff; and
• tending to harm the reputation of plaintiff.
4. If the plaintiff is a public figure, he or she must also prove actual malice. [Actual Malice: That the statement was known to be false, or published with reckless disregard for the truth]
Good luck with that.
Jan 27, 2008 at 11:21 am
Paul calusinski
DENNIS
I wont take the bait that you are putting out there cus your not fish I look for ,so go back up the river that you been swimming in I want a smaller fish.